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Has anyone read the research making the media circuit lately by Peter Gordon of Columbia University regarding the Piraha and their apparent inability to count and/or represent numbers beyond 1, 2 and "many?"

 
 
   

Question: Has anyone read the research making the media circuit lately by Peter Gordon of Columbia University regarding the Piraha and their apparent inability to count and/or represent numbers beyond 1, 2 and "many?"

I immediately take issue with a couple aspects of the work. I feel that perception comes first, language second. It seems that the commentary on this research too often implies the reverse. But here's my reasoning: infants, who speak no language, clearly perceive things around them, and are able to assimilate them into categories beyond language. I have a 5 year-old son who'd been speaking in complete sentences for a long time, but also a 1 year-old. His word for everything is "da!". But he obviously behaves differently when pointing at the cat (I now occasionally hear "da.....t" with a "t" at the end), at me, food, or something else. Categories result from familiarity, which may or may not require the structural representation of language. There is some other supra-linguistic categorization going on. Infants are able to do things that baffle us -- they can think or process information (to a degree at least) beyond all symbolic language.

Representation of quantity in abstract means (a numerical label) is only useful for later retrieval or processing. I'd be willing to bet that a member of the Piraha tribe who may have lost a finger could tell, instantly, that he was minus a finger. This isn't something you need to count to 10 to verify (nor subtract 1 from X). It's experiential, and therefore transcends mere language.

Last, I studied Whorf's hypothesis a decade ago. There's one important caveat I've yet to see anyoint point out -- namely, that (except for infants) language is the primary tool we have for learning other language. So while the Hopi may express a completely different concept of time with their language, anyone can learn Hopi, live awhile in that part of the Southwestern US for additional familiarity (experience) and get an in-depth understanding of what some have over-read into Whorf: a sort of linguistic determinism. Language doesn't merely constrict thought, it can open it wide.

The essential problem facing AI it seems is that computers do not have the "experience" component. At least, not in the emotional sense. A computer capable of learning language would need some other sort of feedback mechanism to make sense of a symbol + the experience/stimuli it references to marry the two together, and of course it would need a mentor (as a human infant does) in the process.


Answer: You might want to read some of the work of Patricia Kuhl and others. For example

Kuhl et al., "Linguistic Experience Alters Phonetic Perception in Infants by 6 Months of Age", Science 255 (1992) 606-608.

This provides persuasive evidence that experience in early language acquisition can change perception.

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