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"How to learn a language" and the answer is always "Which language are you learning?"

 
 
   

Question: I liv in the country of the language I'm learning. I can read pretty much anything that comes to hand. I can understand anything broadcast on the radio. ... but as to speaking it I seem to be completely stuck. People sort of manage to understand me but I got to that stage two years ago and I'm still at that stage.

I'v tried asking in book shops for books on "How to learn a language" and the answer is always "Which language are you learning?" at which my heart falls cos I know that that means that they havn't even sniffed at a book on general learning techniques.


Answer: I'm responding to your original message, tho I read through the thread, since it seems less confusing.

There is a debate among linguists - theoretical and applied - about whether and how general learning strategies operate in second language learning. This doesn't mean that there might not be good general advice about second language learning however! It does mean that it's often difficult to evaluate the advice - especially when it conflicts. For example, some people insist that only authentic materials are useful while there are still others who insist that at least at some stages and in some contexts specially created texts are appropriate: who should we believe? No one really knows.

In the situation you describe a number of points came to mind. You say that your listening and reading comprehension are good but that in interaction with other speakers you make enough gross grammatical errors to impede comprehension. One way to move forward on this one could be controlled interaction - do you have a teacher? Maybe conversation exchange sessions with someone what wants to learn English? In a controlled conversational exchange you can more easily govern the type of feedback you get - you can ask your partner to, for example, make explicit reformulations of things they don't understand - to make explicit corrections of grammatical errors - to give explicit cues when repair is needed and commentary on why.

If one of your problems is with the case system then there are a couple of things that may help you. First you can drill old fashioned wise on the declension of nouns just to make sure you know the forms adequately. Second, you should make sure that when you learn a preposition you _always_ learn what cases of the noun it governs and with what senses. If it's too late for this in the sense that you already have a large stock of prepositions and are uncertain about the cases they govern, then start to systematize the knowledge - make a table showing the prepositions and the cases they govern and what senses are attached to a preposition case pairing. Formal grammatical work like this does work for some learners but it will only translate into fluency if you then practice what you have tabulated by constructing sentences and eventually by using the constructions. Another thing that may help if your collocuters are cooperative is to make a habit of asking people when you are in doubt "Sorry, should I say '...' or '...'?" In conversation, if people do offer you correction or guidance always reformulate correcting your error - don't just plunge on to the next sentence.

Getting stuck at a certain point in second language learning is normal - in the literature it's sometimes called fossilisation. For some learners certain forms fossilise early and persist long after they have a mastery of very complex situated language use. For some reason people aren't surprised by the fact that accent (phonological interference) persists in second language learning - indeed many people insist that it can never be eradicated perfectly - but people are surprised that grammatical aspects of learner language persist. If you would like to learn something about applied linguists' views on language learning strategies, I recommend _Strategies in Learning and Using a Second Language_ by Andrew Cohen published by Adison-Wesley - it's accessible I would think. Certainly it could be read by undergraduates, language teachers, and I don't think it would be very difficult for the interested language learner. There is increasing reference to the importance of _reflective_ learning from language teachers and some indication of what people have found it useful to reflect on may help you.

Of course one hopes that eventually correct and fluent speech becomes a habit - almost a memory of the tongue as someone here put it, but that may take a very long time. I have met non-native speakers of English who have had decades of daily exposure to the language with daily opportunities to speak in natural situations and some of them never achieved very high levels of fluency. On the other hand I know of people who struggled for years and then "got it" - the light came on and they broke through to fluency.

I don't think in general that taking a break from the language much helps - though it may help in your particular case to devote some time to listening and to reflecting on what your comprehension stratgies are. When I was a begining latin learner I noticed that I could, in simple texts, ignore quite a bit of morphological detail - cases etc - and rely on context and cotext to translate adequately. This learning strategy - or non-learning strategy - caused me problems when the texts became more complicated and when I was confronted by tasks requiring explicit grammatical knowledge. Maybe your comprehension relies on some strategy that takes the load of recognising the morphological detail in what you hear and read? If it does, directed listening comprehension may prove helpful.

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