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can anyone recommend, for starters, a good set of grammar/english composition books and/or computer software?

 
 
   

Question: i am somewhat upset today. i went to my daughter's open house two days ago and finally realized (duh on me for not watching more closely) that no one has ever taught her a shred of grammar or the mechanics of writing. i asked her teacher about it and she shrugged and said 'they just don't do that anymore.'

ok, but in the meantime i've got a seventh grader whose essays have some good thoughts and read as if written by a functional illiterate. the teacher doesn't seem terribly upset about this. she's doing as well or better than the other kids in her class. that is definitely not reassuring.

her teacher said that of 200 kids in the 8th grade last year at the school, only a handful passed the new california literacy standards test. she said that 'well, we had worked for weeks to get them up to speed on writing an expository composition and they went and changed what they wanted. they wanted a persuasive essay, so with them changing the rules on us what could they expect.' that ..really.. bothers me. it means the kids are not educated enough to handle whatever they should have mastered at that level without special coaching.

then she went on to say that the school had the third highest s.a.t. scores in the district and that the kids would have taken the s.a.t. for practice at the school at least twice before taking it for real. maybe i'm a little naieve here, folks, but when i took the s.a.t. i went into it cold without being coached on how to take the test and came out with scores in the 700s verbal and 600s math, as did my friends. granted, that was 20 years ago and styles of instruction change, but the thought that the kids have to be coached to take a test so that they can get in the low 500s is pretty astounding. the fact that the school seems to think this is just fine and dandy, and does not expect beyond it upsets me more.

i wish now that i could have home-schooled my child. she is in the top 1 tenth of 1 percent on 'the standardized intelligence' tests and so is in the special seminar classes for the top g.a.t.e. students.

thank god, or who knows to what standard they'd be teaching.

but i was a single parent and doing 80 hour weeks until just a couple of years ago. i trusted the school system to do their job. primarily they have, but i've had to fight to get her into programs that didn't expect her to 'dumb down' to the norm. this is the best they seem to have here, and i'm not all that impressed.

she has a good desk and access to the internet, which i've taught her to use. i made sure she was computer literate before she started kindergarten. she is expected to complete her work on time and when i have the opportunity i look it over now to see what/how she is doing. her grades are good, and her citizenship grades are pleasing. she rarely has more than a half-hour of homework a night, so i work on broadening her horizons without her knowing it's instruction. she just thinks i'm a trivia nut and humors me - though she does remember what i'm trying to get across to her so i'm happy to be thought of as such.

so now i work 10 hours and day and come home to have to pick up the slack and add to the instruction she is getting with enough to bring her up to the level she ..should.. be getting at school. ok, if that's what is necessary, that's what i shall do.

can anyone recommend, for starters, a good set of grammar/english composition books and/or computer software. i bought the princeton review middle school package with prealgebra and she took to it like a duck to water. do you know if there's one for grammar and composition.

again, thanks for reading my e.e.cummings impersonation and letting me vent. i'd appreciate any pointers toward good materials you can suggest.


Answer: I am an English teacher and my stance on grammar is sometimes not what some of the others may think. First, teaching grammar by itself, divorced from the act of writing, is a useless exercise. Further, there is no connection between knowledge of grammar and its usage and good writing skills. The students who come to me have ten years of English instruction behind them and I can see that this grammar badgering hasn't helped them one bit.

Here, briefly, is what I teach, when it comes to grammar. First, I tell students that the more they read the better writers they will become. Read constantly and write-- that's the best way to improve. Then I tell students that what is important about grammar is to know that a sentence is a structured thing and that each word has it's own slot. The ability to recognize this and the skill to shift words or phrases from slot to slot is very helpful. It helps the writer write effectively and the reader read responsibly. This is the only time that I ever mention verbs, nouns, adjectives, etc. I do stress that the verb is THE WORD.

After this-- a good many days of instruction-- I teach these skills--

1. Recognizing fragaments, writing them, and fixin' 'em 2. Recognizing run ons, writing them, and fixin' em 3. Knowing the importance of having clear antecedents-- number and gender 4. Subject-verb agreement

Three of these four have to do with meaning-- if you screw them up the connection between getting meaning from the writer to the reader will be a bit rough. The final one-- sv agreement-- will in most cases not mess up the sense of a sentence, unless it disturbs the tense. For the most part number four is important in formal writing-- if you have problems with sv agreement (and a lot of students do) then the reader will think... well, quite honestly... the reader will think you are stupid and probably go to a public school. You might even be black or hispanic-- thus it can hurt, in a social kind of way.

So that's my stance and more.

But to answer your question: grammar proficiency has nothing to do with effective writing. To me, teaching grammar by itself without the context of writing is useless. It's easy teaching, for sure-- but in my opinion it does nothing. Parents and the lay people think that the reason students can't write is because the schools are not teaching grammar. But the real reason is because, ironically, there is too much teaching of grammar.

My system is, read, write, write, write-- work on the my four key problems-- write, write, write.

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